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In this episode of The nestegg Podcast, host Maja Garaca Djurdjevic checks in with our three experts, digging into the biggest headlines in the world of superannuation, property, investing and wealth creation, as well as touching on the new Omicron scare.

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Steve Waters, director of Right Property Group, talks about investing in a unit and whether first-time investors should put their money into a well-located apartment over a house in a regional setting. He touches on new versus old units and what history tells us.

RMIT senior lecturer of finance Dr Angel Zhong covers equity crowdfunding, what it is and how it’s trending. Dr Zhong also talks about legalities as well as risks for retail investors.

Finally, tax and super guru Timothy Munro chats about industry super funds turning to courts to amend their trust deeds and why this needs to stop. Mr Munro also chats about investing your super in crypto and the implications.

Have a question for our experts? Get in touch at [email protected], and you might get featured on the next episode.

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The ATO’s growing interest in DeFi and CeFi exchanges could mean big things for those looking to grow their stake sooner rather than later.

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The ATO’s growing interest in DeFi and CeFi exchanges could mean big things for those looking to grow their stake sooner rather than later.

As the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) continues to consider what platforms like Celsius mean for the tax implications of those involved, those in the DeFi world might want to prepare for their turn.

Earlier this year, an ATO spokesperson told nestegg that the agency is looking at various decentralised finance platforms and is working on developing public ATO views that clear up some of the tax questions raised by them.

“For instance, the terms and conditions that govern taxpayers’ interactions with the Celsius platform state that Celsius own and hold the assets that are transferred onto their platform. This means that there would be a disposal of the asset when the asset is transferred,” the ATO said.

Whether or not a “disposal” of an asset has occurred is significant because this determines whether or not a capital gains tax event occurs as a result under the current tax rules of the ATO around cryptocurrencies.

CeFi isn’t exactly the same thing as DeFi, but if Celsius is already under the microscope now, then it’s probably a matter of time before the ATO looks beyond it.

Crypto projects or platforms that rely on a similar structure or model to Celsius would likely be affected by any conclusions that the ATO makes on the matter.

Offshift chief strategy officer Alex Shipp told nestegg that many decentralised finance exchanges would likely fall into the same category as Celsius when it comes to whether or not a capital gains tax is triggered, but that such a ruling would not apply universally.

“Celsius, I think is an easy one to pick out because they are CeFi, and so they become the owners of the staked collateral and then issue a different asset in exchange,” he said.

Launched in 2017, Celsius is one of many CeFi and DeFi platforms that have cropped up in recent years. Built around the native CEL token, it aims to put a crypto-based spin on traditional banking products like savings accounts and asset-backed loans.

While Mr Shipp said that the platforms that would trigger taxable events would likely all be DEXs, he added that not all such DeFi platforms fall into this category.

“Under those rules, the DeFi/CeFi platforms that will not trigger taxable events will be those in which users provide liquidity in order to receive rewards and/or trading fees, or stake crypto-assets to receive a collateralised loan,” he explained.

Even then, interest-related taxes might still apply. By comparison, Mr Shipp said that synthetic asset platforms remain more of a grey area.

These platforms allow users to stake collateral in one asset in exchange for a loan in another.

“It may be the case that the legislation could consider the individual to be in possession of the locked collateral or not,” he said, noting that the collateral never falls into the possession of a counterparty as it would in traditional finance.

“It begs the question: Do DeFi platforms that provide identical or very similar services to Celsius also fall under the same umbrella?”

Speaking to nestegg earlier this year, Cointree CEO Shane Stevenson said that DeFi’s biggest advantage over the traditional finance system is this lack of counterparty risk.

“You can participate without giving away custody of your assets. You don’t have to worry about a bank going insolvent as you are always in control.”

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